why are we only talking about one side? romney basically called obama on a liar. when he calls on the continuing fb bringcations he is how he is hurt. he flip-flopped on abortion yesterday. what does he stand for? martha: but here he is, to my mind, this is a great, wonderful thing about debates. and particularly in many ways i think the format we saw the other night which was, somewhat unusual format which really allowed them to talk about who they were. what you were seeing up there in many ways, was not the campaigns. i mean you saw the two men. and they had a chance to go at it. >> that's the point. martha: they had a chance to encounter each other when called on it. so it is difficult to say anyway anybody was portrayed in a way that was unfair. >> obama didn't call him a liar during the debate. a lot of people wish he did. he didn't go after romney on some of the prevarications. martha: do you think it would be a good idea. >> i wouldn't use word liar. his feet have to be held to the fire. if you want to make numbers work, what loopholes will be cut or how b